tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7747146.post5524985988656339692..comments2023-10-26T03:57:50.903-07:00Comments on Comics Fairplay: Is This Gratutious? Iron Man: Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. Annual #1Heidi Meeleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01436991028382498324noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7747146.post-67444482620076728332007-11-12T19:52:00.000-08:002007-11-12T19:52:00.000-08:00Thank you so much for the fantastic input! I reall...Thank you so much for the fantastic input! I really enjoyed reading all your comments. I am still torn about the whimsy of homage versus the fact that the chick at the bottom has her legs spread wide in a skimpy bikini bottom. Cheung pulls it off, and it is certainly better then Britney can do, but I have got to call it "a bit gratuitous". :-)<BR/><BR/>Not damaging to the eyes, but a bit over the top...Heidi Meeleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01436991028382498324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7747146.post-45368182729940937132007-11-12T00:12:00.000-08:002007-11-12T00:12:00.000-08:00I'm with David on this one. When you do a homage, ...I'm with David on this one. When you do a homage, you have to choose what you're doing an homage to; if the source material is sexist (which Bond always was and always will be) then so is the result, barring parody. <BR/><BR/>A lesbian pulp comic cover with bikini-clad girls clinging to Secret Agent Woman is a parody. A cover of, oh, She-Hulk, with half-naked men clinging to Shulkie is a parody. This, however, is saying, "Bond-style is sexy!" <BR/><BR/>I love Cheung's art (as long as he doesn't draw children). He has a gift for taking absurd costumes and still making the women wearing them look dignified. But Bond? I say nay to thee. Nay!Leahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14031483782907671332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7747146.post-13017352199373710582007-11-11T18:45:00.000-08:002007-11-11T18:45:00.000-08:00Gratuitous? No. Ridiculous? Yes.Needs more guns...Gratuitous? No. Ridiculous? Yes.<BR/><BR/>Needs more guns.Rocketlexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03996117249779299483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7747146.post-48616363333710340802007-11-11T11:11:00.000-08:002007-11-11T11:11:00.000-08:00Not that gratuitous, unless you count the, ahem, "...Not that gratuitous, unless you count the, ahem, "full presentation" of the bimbo clinging to Tony's left leg.<BR/><BR/>Hel-lo!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7747146.post-51774184993477685272007-11-10T08:13:00.000-08:002007-11-10T08:13:00.000-08:00Tongue-in-cheek and whimsical.Not gratuituous!Tongue-in-cheek and whimsical.<BR/><BR/>Not gratuituous!zhinxyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01119544025471120091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7747146.post-17003668028909864322007-11-10T05:54:00.000-08:002007-11-10T05:54:00.000-08:00I agree with the No Camp. The point of the cover i...I agree with the No Camp. The point of the cover is to make a nod to over-the-top spy pulps, not to titillate.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957151893557810297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7747146.post-4946924590634543252007-11-10T05:46:00.000-08:002007-11-10T05:46:00.000-08:00bond... no...bond... no...Swinebreadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02947060321484913676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7747146.post-37419310347450398642007-11-10T04:44:00.000-08:002007-11-10T04:44:00.000-08:00An homage to a gratuitous source is gratuitous; p...An homage to a gratuitous source is gratuitous; playful nods to a source with characters like Honey Ryder, Pussy Galore, Kissy Suzuki, Plenty O'Toole, Holly Goodhead, Dr. Molly Warmflash etc. (thanks, Wikipedia), must be complicit within that system.<BR/><BR/>A parody, I would welcome. But to be honest, I liked it better when Tony Stark pretended to be a playboy industrialist, rather than actually slept with She-Hulk, etc.David Beardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13137121995124489190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7747146.post-29415119068168955142007-11-10T00:47:00.000-08:002007-11-10T00:47:00.000-08:00I'd say the original source is somewhat gratutious...I'd say the original source is somewhat gratutious, but that was probably the point. And the cover definately evokes old James Bond posters or other pulp spy thrillers...LurkerWithouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03540770911478925992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7747146.post-55183158319030775392007-11-10T00:18:00.000-08:002007-11-10T00:18:00.000-08:00I'd probably leans toward no on this one. It's go...I'd probably leans toward no on this one. It's gotta be a Bond nod - there's the tux, the guns, the fighter jets, the car, and the girls. If it wasn't for the big metal armor dude, I'd figure it was a Bond comic or something...Eaglewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17372974358045440796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7747146.post-52654417588752282432007-11-09T22:52:00.000-08:002007-11-09T22:52:00.000-08:00nah. the bond style pastiche has been done so many...nah. the bond style pastiche has been done so many times that this is one of the most pedestrian version of it that I think I've ever seen. Seriously, Iron man's armor is far more a fetish item (each surface gleaming with just the right amount of polish... ooohh la la) that any of the boobs on the ladies.inkdestroyedmybrushhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09037083364689982443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7747146.post-84794729220442278682007-11-09T21:21:00.000-08:002007-11-09T21:21:00.000-08:00I say no on this one. It's a whimsical homage to ...I say no on this one. It's a whimsical homage to spy stuff and since he's leading a spy organization it works for me.<BR/><BR/>You have an excellent point about the artist, though. In the hands of certain other artists it would have crossed the line. This is why Cheung remains in my top ten artist list. See also: Mahmud A. Asrar.Vaklamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14839979414750032302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7747146.post-7819597166624810642007-11-09T20:14:00.000-08:002007-11-09T20:14:00.000-08:00I'd say it's a yes and no. This style of cover an...I'd say it's a yes and no. This style of cover and/or promotional image has been done for decades, and in that sense it could be interpreted as a reference or homage. As you say, it's not really over-the-top compared to other such images.<BR/><BR/>But yeah, the source material is probably gratuitous.Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13669155916462097086noreply@blogger.com